IMHO: Such an statistic is just wrong. Check historical and economical analysis. See, the listed countries were based on Protestant and Jew religion. Protenstantism, different from Catholocism accepts enrichment, and so do Jewes believe. All UK's colonies and northic countries have, also, a different culture, way of facing life, family, art, work, etc. Japanese are believers: they have at least 2 major religions (Shintoism and Budhism) and others (Taoism, Christianism...). And they are a hard working, educated, rich country.
On the violence side, well, countries invade countries for oil and for political reasons (not allowing another system to grow). The USA has a great killing and suicide rate, people defend the "right to have fire arms at home for safety" so!?
yes, back in the dark ages religion was strong here in norway as well, but these days we are even taking the right to wed people away from the church. they can have the ceremony but it doesn't make it a legal marriage. it doesn't really matter that we have a protestant christian past. the times when priests ad any kind of control over the people is long, long gone.
As he states, he isn't implying that one causes the other. it could just be that a society that values the self esteem of individuals over the need to control people automatically pulls in those directions?
And the main point he makes is that the downfall of religion does not led to any loss of morality or honesty. On the contrary, I suspect we don't need religion because we already value those traits for entirely different reasons.
I agree, birger monsen my friend! Honesty ans all the good things are no monopoly of any group (religion, party, clan, rock group fans...). Uruguay (a small nice country in SouthAmerica) was one of the firsts countries in the whole continent to separate the (Catholic) Church from the goverment, already in the late 1800, if I'm not mistaken. But we are STILL a third world country (poor, exploited, underdeveloped, fighting the dominance of certain empire from the north). The education was good, some 30 years ago. Nowadays, all things are leveled by the lowest standard, all globe around :-(
true, Gonzalo Velasco C. . Given that Uruguay is quite dependant on the economies in other south american countries I think they have been doing well. A working democracy, religious freedom and 14 years of compulsory school. I am impressed. They are really trying to do things right there. thanks for the heads up. :-)
IMHO: Such an statistic is just wrong. Check historical and economical analysis.
SvarSlettSee, the listed countries were based on Protestant and Jew religion. Protenstantism, different from Catholocism accepts enrichment, and so do Jewes believe.
All UK's colonies and northic countries have, also, a different culture, way of facing life, family, art, work, etc.
Japanese are believers: they have at least 2 major religions (Shintoism and Budhism) and others (Taoism, Christianism...). And they are a hard working, educated, rich country.
On the violence side, well, countries invade countries for oil and for political reasons (not allowing another system to grow). The USA has a great killing and suicide rate, people defend the "right to have fire arms at home for safety" so!?
yes, back in the dark ages religion was strong here in norway as well, but these days we are even taking the right to wed people away from the church. they can have the ceremony but it doesn't make it a legal marriage. it doesn't really matter that we have a protestant christian past. the times when priests ad any kind of control over the people is long, long gone.
SvarSlettAs he states, he isn't implying that one causes the other. it could just be that a society that values the self esteem of individuals over the need to control people automatically pulls in those directions?
And the main point he makes is that the downfall of religion does not led to any loss of morality or honesty. On the contrary, I suspect we don't need religion because we already value those traits for entirely different reasons.
I agree, birger monsen my friend! Honesty ans all the good things are no monopoly of any group (religion, party, clan, rock group fans...).
SvarSlettUruguay (a small nice country in SouthAmerica) was one of the firsts countries in the whole continent to separate the (Catholic) Church from the goverment, already in the late 1800, if I'm not mistaken. But we are STILL a third world country (poor, exploited, underdeveloped, fighting the dominance of certain empire from the north). The education was good, some 30 years ago. Nowadays, all things are leveled by the lowest standard, all globe around :-(
Go the heathens.
SvarSletttrue, Gonzalo Velasco C. . Given that Uruguay is quite dependant on the economies in other south american countries I think they have been doing well. A working democracy, religious freedom and 14 years of compulsory school. I am impressed. They are really trying to do things right there. thanks for the heads up. :-)
SvarSlettThe Bible tells us to love our neighbors, and also to love our enemies; probably because they are generally the same people.
SvarSlett--G. K. Chesterton
The richest countries believe and praise the god of money :-P
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